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I guess I assumed that aaaahockey was joking when he wrote that.

Honestly these both seem like commonsense provisions in the rules. On the other hand, in a sane world there'd be no need for a rule about running up the score to that extent. Everyone knows and remembers who the classless coaches and programs are. The rest of us try to impart sportsmanship and respect into our players, and lead by example.

I'd love to see the equivalent PAHL list.

That report is fascinating. It's incredible to me that there were so many issues with parents confronting officials directly, including, of all things, entering the referee locker room. What kind of idiotic behavior is that? Honestly, it's amazing to me that we can even find officials to schedule, given the way they are constantly berated. It's been my experience that, in the vast majority of situations where parents complain about calls either made or not made, I agreed with the officials.

I'm not sure what to make of that. It sure seems from the player's reaction that she felt that she was pushed. From the front page of their organization's website (https://www.claringtonflames.ca/?

That was an idiotic move by the dad, and the rink certainly has every right to take action, but likely the only action taken will be by the organization. The organization certainly should take action. Spectators entering the ice is both dangerous and explicitly prohibited by PIHL rules. Honestly what I worry about the most from that sort of behavior is escalation of the situation, such as other parents responding to it. For me, the behavior of the parents who stayed in the stands was largely idiotic, too. Hard to see how they thought that yelling at opposing players leaving the ice was appropriate. As miked pointed out earlier in this thread, all of those parents are clearly audible on Livebarn, in their own voices, and you can see many of their faces. Shameful and stupid behavior is being recorded nowadays, folks. Almost all of the rinks have Livebarn. I'd keep that in mind.

What a disgusting spectacle. The behavior of the players was outrageous, but the behavior of the parents for both teams was imbecilic. Regarding the parent who entered the ice, if I was the coach of that team I'd ban him myself.

Truer words have never been spoken.

There are a few. Hockey Time in running one out at Delmont - I guess that's the one that Jack Handey was talking about with the Badgers, above. I heard yesterday that they are looking for teams to fill out a few brackets.

Most rinks have facility-specific rules that would apply to this question, too. No matter what may or may not have happened on the ice, it seems pretty classless and also like a very bad idea for a parent to do such a thing. I wouldn't hesitate to confront a parent who approached my own kid, or a kid I coach, and I'd call the police if they persisted and let the police sort it out. I have to believe that there are myriad ways to get into legal trouble VERY quickly by doing such a thing. Just an observation - parents who do this sort of thing tend to develop a reputation, and I know of at least one parent who has adversely affected a placement for their player because teams didn't think their player was worth the hassle of the parent.

That's fascinating. Lots to think about in that report.

Or we could just be happy for a local kid who did good.

Seconded on the assessment of the TK sessions. They're really good, active sessions, covering a number of skills at once.

And then there is this from Wesbanco Arena, for anyone playing in Wheeling this season: https://www.wheelingnailers.com/en/news/nailers-wesbanco-arena-announce-preseason-venue-change https://wtov9.com/news/local/refrigeration-broken-nailers-left-without-ice-rink-at-start-of-season https://weelunk.com/wheeling-nailers-find-temporary-home-at-wheeling-park-ice-rink/ The Nailers are practicing at Southpointe and/or Wheeling Park right now. They apparently hope to get a temporary ice surface in place in time to start their season in Wesbanco. As far as I can tell there's no news about when Wesbanco will have ice yet, though they're hoping to have ice for their home opener on October 19.

It's a great site, Mitch, and I think one that hockey people in Pittsburgh really appreciate.

It's generally best to invest in skating, all other things being equal. That's my view, anyway. Unless he has major deficiencies elsewhere, everyone can always profit from skating work.

Solid coverage of hockey from varsity on up. I wish they had time to cover JV, too.

My goal has always been that my kids love hockey enough to still be playing when they are my age. Division 3 or club in college would be a wonderful bonus.

Saucey, I have been worried myself for some time about the effect that all the layers of paperwork and the absurd parenting will have on coaching in the future. I know of more than one team that didn't have a coach at the time of placements, forcing players to accept placements to a team on faith that the team would actually still exist at the start of the season. Regarding parents in the stands being covered by SafeSport, at least where my kids play (both PIHL and PAHL) coaches, players, and parents are all required to sign a code of conduct. At least one of the Codes of Conduct we signed explicitly cites SafeSport. Sadly you see far too few organizations actually expecting their people to actually comply with their code of conduct, and I suspect most are only requiring parents and players to sign it to cover a legal need.

Just suggesting that posting the scoresheet would at least make it easier to understand what had happened. I tend to agree with you that the scoresheet isn't going to satisfy anyone, just make it clearer. Having been a scorekeeper MANY times for amateur games, and having stood in the penalty box and helped count shots for various PIHL scorekeepers, I understand it's a difficult situation. Personally I don't care about statistics on a piece of paper at all - I know if my own kids played well because I was watching - but it shouldn't be an issue to show the scoresheet to everyone if it at least makes the process more transparent. At any rate you can see the shot counts on the PIHL website for every game. I guess I don't understand why most people would want to see them, but I also don't understand why it is an issue to let people see them. I get copies of them from the business managers on the teams I coach on, anyway, as Ynot02 suggested.

Paul is 100% right. PAHL games use parents to keep score, and in that case (that is, with volunteers) a bit of error is expected. In the case of PIHL games, however, they have paid scorekeepers and those games should be correctly scored. It's true that they record what the refs say regarding goals and assists, and if they correctly record an incorrect attribution there, that isn't the fault of the scorekeeper. But one would think that the point of paying scorekeepers is to ensure accuracy and fairness. If that's the case, it shouldn't be an issue to post a scan of the scoresheet, in the interests of full transparency. (I get that this is an extra step in the process, but it's a pretty small one, and it would enable parents and coaches to review the statistics as entered into the computer. God knows there are plenty of both who think the game is rigged against their player(s).)

Probably everyone here is aware of this already, but: http://burghhockey.com/belmont-ice-issues-force-changes-pihl-teams/ On Belmont's web page they're saying six weeks until ice at this point.

I see a load of complaining from a bunch of guys who sure can officiate just fine from the stands. I am not an official, and I wouldn't even attempt it. But here are my thoughts: Do officials make bad calls? Yes. Are there area rinks that seem to always have lower quality officiating? I think the answer to this is yes. I can think of one in particular that always seems to have questionable officiating. Are games sometimes decided by a bad call at a bad moment? Yes, sometimes, and that's a shame. But I say that if you put yourself in a position for a ref to take a game from you that's really your fault. I don't think that's nearly as frequent as anecdotal stories seem to suggest. Are there rinks who have frequent officials who are particularly friendly to the home teams? Well, I think that I can think of one (that might be my own biases creeping in). And that's also a shame. But to hear the hockey community talk, it sounds like every official is a 'homer' ref and you can't get a good ref anywhere. That is not true, in my view. Officiating is really in a crisis right now. The statistics regarding young officials who drop out of it before they even finish their training are depressing. I'm sure sometimes it's that they just decided that officiating isn't for them, but we all know that a big reason why there are few of them (and getting fewer) is that they are constantly under attack. You can read more about this in the most recent issue of USA Hockey Magazine. Officials are part of the game whether you're happy with them or not. And we can all hope that officiating in the southwestern PA area improves over time, but honestly I go to a large number of amateur and high school games, and the way parents behave makes me wonder why anyone would ever want to do that job. I wouldn't do it - I've heard plenty of stories about parents waiting to accost officials after games. Nobody here will ever start a thread about how stupid and boorish that behavior is. To be clear, I'm not defending poor officiating. Just amused by the whining.

This is the explanation I've been giving to the parents who ask about it, yes.

My kids have played two placement games each. One's a U16 and one's a PeeWee. The officiating at both midget games was pretty good, and the PeeWee games were not so good. It is what it is.