Saucey

I bet that is a commonly used defense by a coach, the parent is out to get me. Trying to discredit an accuser.

The code of conduct applies to everyone. The Safesport website has answers to those questions.

Safety sport violations can follow you to court and your job as well. They are incredibly serious. As they should be.

Checked it, really well done, ty!

As a coach, you need the info to help coach. That I get. Which period are we letting up lots of shots, etc. Parents, not so much. There isn't functionality to scan and add for most of these programs, anyway, and the programs I've used are so cumbersome, adding in shot totals, etc, as team manager was such a pain. What is being asked for these volunteer and low paying jobs keeps increasing every year. I vote we not add to the burdens.

Why does a scorekeeper getting paid entitle parents to the score sheet? Some organizations pay kids in PAHL to keep score, are they entitled to those, too? What need does a parent have for that score sheet? There is a certain amount of discretion in shot counting. You can't see them all and the scorekeeper gets a different view than the parent in the stand. So....when the goalie mom clicking away on her shot counter in the stands disagrees with the number on the posted score sheet, posting the actual score sheet makes everything better how? I just don't see how this makes anyone more convinced that games aren't rigged, or how this helps in the interest of 'transparency'. Those folks who think that games are rigged are going to continue to think that, regardless, and we don't really need parents obsessively following stats. Already enough obsession. PIHL can't find enough people to do it now for that huge 20 payout per game.

Don't the refs tell the score keepers which player gets credit?

The past two years, some of the divisions had 16 and 17 teams. Looks like the PAHL created some minor divisions to address that. My kid played in one of those divisions, and it was silly. This way, more teams can compete for a banner and the divisions are hopefully more competitive for each game. They could have chosen not to do this, and your team might have been in the named division you wanted, but it would not be better for the kids. I think it is a good thing.

If it's the same group of kids my kid played against in a tournament last year, I'm not. There are some good players there.

Gratuitous suck up to Ref23....the games I've seen have been called fine, or least with teams getting similar amounts of bad calls so the reffing is not determining the outcome. I have not seen the new checking rule on playing the puck being applied much at all on three different rinks.

I have seen zero calls enforcing the new checking rules. Lots hitting with one hand on stick, stick in air, etc. It seemed to be disregarded.

I once had a goalie mom for the other team who was using a shot counter try to change her kid's shot number on the score sheet. I didn't even think of the crazy parents. Having kept score quite a few times, the refs get the numbers of the players who got the assist wrong quite a bit, and not infrequently, who actually scored. We are all better off with those stats not being published. And, when team managing, I could sometimes not read the writing or nothing would be marked down. Myhockey rankings is very good for helping set up tournaments. Some teams do what they can to manipulate their standings I think, inflate their ranking by playing a huge amount of games, not report some games, etc. I still think it works pretty well for what it was intended for.

I have no idea why the information is not available, but do we really need the stats of kids? Why do they need 'recognition' beyond teammates and family? Privacy concerns, too. That could lead to chasing individual stats over team, and goes against the idea that this is meant to be developmental. High school is different, stakes rise a bit more then. What if it added to the unofficial recruiting we all know goes on? I just don't see the need. Who cares if you were the leading goal scorer in PAHL at age ten? Let's not make it more serious than people already do. Let me know when trading cards and stats of the mites are available.

Someone told me that Alpha in Harmar is icing over the dek hockey rink.

That stinks. At least there are a number of rinks pretty close to Belmont, might be able to absorb till October. Rostraver, however....?

Saw this game. NP out shot Altoona two to one. I think both teams are going to be ones to watch, obvious talent on both ends of the ice.

I don't know any middle school players who are only playing school hockey. I don't think that is common.

Except some of the players play both PAHL and PIHL, so then, unless you are cloning players, they wouldn't even truly be playing the team. This is kind of a silly discussion because of its mootness, as others said. Might as well argue over who will win in a fight, Captain America or Iron Man? Each division serves different purposes and it is unnecessary to compare.

Thanks for all of your time!

York is an incredibly horrible venue for a tournament, one of the worst I've ever been to, and I won't go back by choice. That eliminated my interest right there. As already said, one sheet of ice makes for a rough go to hold a tourney. So many rinks around there.... Consolation games stink. Older kids don't want to stick around for those. The most lack luster games I've seen played are when neither team cares.

Ya..... usually the AA teams have more talent across the board than a PIHL team who is limited to their school district. The one former Pen parent that I spoke to, they sounded burned out and disappointed, too. Maybe school hockey won't be enough and they'll return next year. Or their kid reached the age where he is done.

More 05s exited the hockey travel scene this year. A few I heard about who were cut from Pens are just playing their school teams. Maybe next year when the Pens go to one team PAHL will pick up some more.

It's good to talk to other coaches who have gone to tournaments at your age/skill bracket. There are lots of little tournaments run by youth organizations or in support of a cause that won't appear on a list. It has been my experience that the private companies are not as interested in creating fair divisions so much as getting teams. (We have always liked Gene Harrington.) And the older they get, the less good options there seem to be because there aren't as many teams. I think it is just as good to schedule a few games with teams on your own, rather than give your money to some of these for profit private tournament companies.

Like 05, 07 is a low birth year for some reason. 04 and 06 are huge number wise. Think they squeezed out the next birth year. Programs need to be conscious about picking teams with the next birth year, even if it means adding a team if possible. Plus a bunch of 07s went to NP this year.

That stinks. Not the parent coaches, being paid or not does not equate to good coaching imho. However, when you set teams and Pens are out there poaching, that makes for difficulties for the teams the poached kids leave behind.