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Mid-Am Schedule 2020

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1 hour ago, The King said:

What @Danner27 is saying is that, it’s all the same teams that compete against each other all season. The league actually makes it more legitimate by making the teams qualify. MidAm takes any team with the fee. Now it used to be that you had to have a certain amount of wins against the level of competition for that Tier. But it changed as more people complained about not having an opportunity at nationals and USA Hockey and it’s affiliates used that mentality to increase their income. Add more teams, make more money! Capitalism at its finest. Problem is, it cheapens the experience. Having 3 classes at nationals is just a sign of the times. Class segregation, leadership making a financial gain off of the constituents call for equality, penalization for anyone that questions leadership, sounds familiar doesn’t it?

Ding ding this guy gets it. 

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12 minutes ago, Danner27 said:

Ding ding this guy gets it. 

That is always going to be a large part of it as adults continue to use youth sports to make money. But it’s also a sign of a large increase in participation over a couple of decades as well as helping hockey grow in different regions. 

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Meh, I'm fine with teams having to be state champions to get to Nationals. Does that mean a team from West Virginia might have an uncontested path? Yes, but so be it and that's why I'm fine in having those states with fewer players having the separate 1A championship.

If anything, a complaint could be that PA gets to send two teams because the state is split across two districts. There is only one state champ from Michigan, yet there will be two 'state champs' from PA.

For the 2005 tier II W.Pa championship, the 8 teams in the tourney were the top 8 teams in WPa. I have no idea if other teams applied and were denied but that was a pretty good tourney with a couple of teams that aren't in the PAHL (Viper Stars, Icemen). Congrats to SC for winning.

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20 hours ago, Danner27 said:

Speaking of the 18s, word this weekend PPE will only have one team at that age next year. The 18 prep team. They finally found a away to force the 18s into nc/excel. The team will practice at noon every day. So as I first said this team will be for post grad kids not in high school anymore, if you are still in hs you will have to attend nc. The team will attract better out of state players that have graduated still hanging onto the dream. not sure how many of you nc/excel cheerleaders, dreamers will get a gold helmet, if any do. Your best chance will be this, it’s first year. 

Danner! You’re so full of yourself! Were you at the meeting last week? I was and you do NOT have to go to NC to play on the prep team. So what is your next conspiracy theory?

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19 hours ago, Danner27 said:

Take everything you just said, now Replace the name with David Morehouse. Not much different except the operating budget behind the teams eh ? 

The 2003 team has been one of the most successful teams in the organization, going back to mites! Check out their overall record, It is one of the most talented birth years in Pittsburgh. Not sure what Morehouse has done to piss you off, but you need to get over it! He has done more for Pittsburgh hockey then anyone has in the last 10 years. Did it help his son, probably... in doing so it has help thousands of local and yes, kids that want to come to Pittsburgh to train and play in a good organization. Say what you want about DM, or the organization, but it’s successful. It shows by the number of kids drafted (wasn’t the number one overall pick in the USHL draft last year developed, trained and played for the PPE) committed to colleges, and I’m not talking just about the boys, the girls teams are very successful and have developed nicely, with a lot girls committed. He’s also one of a few who is responsible for bringing the USHL fall classic to Pittsburgh, that’s great for the local communities and players. They are putting more resources, time and money into the program for the girls. Doesn’t matter who’s involved, it’s good for Pittsburgh and kids that choose to send their kids to NC/Excel/ or PPE!

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53 minutes ago, Hockey1 said:

Danner! You’re so full of yourself! Were you at the meeting last week? I was and you do NOT have to go to NC to play on the prep team. So what is your next conspiracy theory?

So please tell me how a kid going to high school is going to make a mid day practice ? 

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9 hours ago, Loach said:

Meh, I'm fine with teams having to be state champions to get to Nationals. Does that mean a team from West Virginia might have an uncontested path? Yes, but so be it and that's why I'm fine in having those states with fewer players having the separate 1A championship.

If anything, a complaint could be that PA gets to send two teams because the state is split across two districts. There is only one state champ from Michigan, yet there will be two 'state champs' from PA.

For the 2005 tier II W.Pa championship, the 8 teams in the tourney were the top 8 teams in WPa. I have no idea if other teams applied and were denied but that was a pretty good tourney with a couple of teams that aren't in the PAHL (Viper Stars, Icemen). Congrats to SC for winning.

Yes that sounds exciting and very fulfilling having uncontested teams gain a spot at Nationals. Of course, the 40 team field wouldn’t really notice a team that didn’t earn its way there because it doesn’t sound like any of them really earn their way there. And based off of your Assessment, it sounds as if the expanded PAHL playoffs for ‘05’s was very exciting.

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44 minutes ago, Hockey1 said:

The 2003 team has been one of the most successful teams in the organization, going back to mites! Check out their overall record, It is one of the most talented birth years in Pittsburgh. Not sure what Morehouse has done to piss you off, but you need to get over it! He has done more for Pittsburgh hockey then anyone has in the last 10 years. Did it help his son, probably... in doing so it has help thousands of local and yes, kids that want to come to Pittsburgh to train and play in a good organization. Say what you want about DM, or the organization, but it’s successful. It shows by the number of kids drafted (wasn’t the number one overall pick in the USHL draft last year developed, trained and played for the PPE) committed to colleges, and I’m not talking just about the boys, the girls teams are very successful and have developed nicely, with a lot girls committed. He’s also one of a few who is responsible for bringing the USHL fall classic to Pittsburgh, that’s great for the local communities and players. They are putting more resources, time and money into the program for the girls. Doesn’t matter who’s involved, it’s good for Pittsburgh and kids that choose to send their kids to NC/Excel/ or PPE!

Everyone that knows anything about local hockey, the history and how things operate are laughing at this post. 

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49 minutes ago, Hockey1 said:

The 2003 team has been one of the most successful teams in the organization, going back to mites! Check out their overall record, It is one of the most talented birth years in Pittsburgh. Not sure what Morehouse has done to piss you off, but you need to get over it! He has done more for Pittsburgh hockey then anyone has in the last 10 years. Did it help his son, probably... in doing so it has help thousands of local and yes, kids that want to come to Pittsburgh to train and play in a good organization. Say what you want about DM, or the organization, but it’s successful. It shows by the number of kids drafted (wasn’t the number one overall pick in the USHL draft last year developed, trained and played for the PPE) committed to colleges, and I’m not talking just about the boys, the girls teams are very successful and have developed nicely, with a lot girls committed. He’s also one of a few who is responsible for bringing the USHL fall classic to Pittsburgh, that’s great for the local communities and players. They are putting more resources, time and money into the program for the girls. Doesn’t matter who’s involved, it’s good for Pittsburgh and kids that choose to send their kids to NC/Excel/ or PPE!

Serious question, outside of the PPE ‘03 team and girls teams you mention, how has anything he’s done helped the broader hockey community? What does the average in house player gain by the ushl playing a showcase here? They pay admission I’m sure. But what do they get from it? I think it’s also important to clarify something about the Prep team. Do the high school aged players have to attend NC/Excel to play for the 18U team? 

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3 minutes ago, The King said:

Serious question, outside of the PPE ‘03 team and girls teams you mention, how has anything he’s done helped the broader hockey community? What does the average in house player gain by the ushl playing a showcase here? They pay admission I’m sure. But what do they get from it? I think it’s also important to clarify something about the Prep team. Do the high school aged players have to attend NC/Excel to play for the 18U team? 

don’t waste your breathe on her lunacy, I know who she is now. 

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18 minutes ago, The King said:

Serious question, outside of the PPE ‘03 team and girls teams you mention, how has anything he’s done helped the broader hockey community? What does the average in house player gain by the ushl playing a showcase here? They pay admission I’m sure. But what do they get from it? I think it’s also important to clarify something about the Prep team. Do the high school aged players have to attend NC/Excel to play for the 18U team? 

No, you do not have to attend NC/Excel to play for the Prep team.  I was in the meeting and it was made very clear that is a rumor and 100% false.  Also, when you help build and are the driving force behind building a practice facility that everyone can use and benefit from, I think that is a good thing.  He was one of the people that drove learn to paly hockey in all local schools by providing floor hockey sticks and equipment, he has been instrumental in setting up the learn to play for free program through 87 by providing the free gear through Dicks Sporting Goods.  He has his "THUMB" on everything associated with growing hockey in the greater Pittsburgh community.  The USHL event brings every single College, NHL, NAHL, USHL, and OHL scouts to Pittsburgh every year.  This is giving exposure to our local players and is a good thing.  If you ever spent any time with him or spoken to him you would know he wants to grow youth hockey in Pittsburgh, he is one of the biggest advocates for keeping kids home as long as possible and not having to leave at a young age.  He has done more for the community, and the city than most people know.  He doesn't ask for recognition or acknowledgement and probably would be embarrassed about the topic in general.  I get it, people aren't always going to get a long, and like everyone.  I happen to know DM, and had a chance to speak with him and the things said about him on this forum are false and misrepresent the person and things he tries to do for youth hockey in Pittsburgh.  People would complain if know one was doing anything, but since he's active and happens to have a son that plays on one of the teams, he gets the heat for helping.  It's part of the job I guess, but before you judge someone and bash that person, you should at least know the person or know what your talking about when accusing him of stuff.  That's it!

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34 minutes ago, Danner27 said:

Everyone that knows anything about local hockey, the history and how things operate are laughing at this post. 

You are the one that actually has zero clue about youth hockey, especially in Pittsburgh.  Let's start by you thinking you know who I am!  LOL!  It doesn't even matter at this point because you are a scorn, miserable hockey dad who is unhappy because his son/daughter didn't make a team.  Poor you Danner!  I am willing to bet, I know more about youth hockey, especially in it's current state in Pittsburgh than you will ever pretend to know.

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43 minutes ago, Danner27 said:

So please tell me how a kid going to high school is going to make a mid day practice ? 

I will tell you, it's called working the schedule out with your current school because most of the kids are seniors and have a ton of elective classes and a truncated schedule as it is.  Maybe, just maybe the kid can also cyber school??? WOW, SMH!!!

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15 hours ago, Puckthat said:

You do sound like a dick.  People on this forum either complain that kids are playing for faux AAA teams or shit on them when they play AA, work hard and earn the right to play at Tier II nationals .  

Agreed. And I find it ironic that many of the people who crap all over the AA kids with comments like this are the same ones trying to form AAA teams outside of Pens Elite, whose market and audience are AA kids for the most part. This is what they really think of your player, folks.

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16 minutes ago, Hockey1 said:

I will tell you, it's called working the schedule out with your current school because most of the kids are seniors and have a ton of elective classes and a truncated schedule as it is.  Maybe, just maybe the kid can also cyber school??? WOW, SMH!!!

I find it hard to believe that an 18U team would hold 12:00 practices unless it was affiliated with a particular school -- seems like a heavy burden for students attending schools that aren't a five minute drive from the rink. I'm also convinced that @Danner27 and @The King are the same person with how much they compliment each other on here lol.

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1 minute ago, RegDunlop7 said:

I find it hard to believe that an 18U team would hold 12:00 practices unless it was affiliated with a particular school -- seems like a heavy burden for students attending schools that aren't five minutes from the rink. I'm also convinced that @Danner27 and @The King are the same person with how much they compliment each other on here lol.

Yes! I've been thinking that too, same person.

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47 minutes ago, Danner27 said:

Everyone that knows anything about local hockey, the history and how things operate are laughing at this post. 

 

1 minute ago, RegDunlop7 said:

I find it hard to believe that an 18U team would hold 12:00 practices unless it was affiliated with a particular school -- seems like a heavy burden for students attending schools that aren't five minutes from the rink. I'm also convinced that @Danner27 and @The King are the same person with how much they compliment each other on here lol.

12:00 practices would be tough, your right.  The schedule is practice at 1:50 to 2:50, workout to 3:50 and the kids are done for the day.  The kids would have to get to the rink by 1:15/1:30 at the latest.

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34 minutes ago, Hockey1 said:

No, you do not have to attend NC/Excel to play for the Prep team.

Then why the f&#@ is it called a Prep team. If it's not affiliated 100% with a school (hence the word Prep) then it's just a 18U team.

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34 minutes ago, Hockey1 said:

No, you do not have to attend NC/Excel to play for the Prep team.  I was in the meeting and it was made very clear that is a rumor and 100% false.  Also, when you help build and are the driving force behind building a practice facility that everyone can use and benefit from, I think that is a good thing.  He was one of the people that drove learn to paly hockey in all local schools by providing floor hockey sticks and equipment, he has been instrumental in setting up the learn to play for free program through 87 by providing the free gear through Dicks Sporting Goods.  He has his "THUMB" on everything associated with growing hockey in the greater Pittsburgh community.  The USHL event brings every single College, NHL, NAHL, USHL, and OHL scouts to Pittsburgh every year.  This is giving exposure to our local players and is a good thing.  If you ever spent any time with him or spoken to him you would know he wants to grow youth hockey in Pittsburgh, he is one of the biggest advocates for keeping kids home as long as possible and not having to leave at a young age.  He has done more for the community, and the city than most people know.  He doesn't ask for recognition or acknowledgement and probably would be embarrassed about the topic in general.  I get it, people aren't always going to get a long, and like everyone.  I happen to know DM, and had a chance to speak with him and the things said about him on this forum are false and misrepresent the person and things he tries to do for youth hockey in Pittsburgh.  People would complain if know one was doing anything, but since he's active and happens to have a son that plays on one of the teams, he gets the heat for helping.  It's part of the job I guess, but before you judge someone and bash that person, you should at least know the person or know what your talking about when accusing him of stuff.  That's it!

So he’s done nothing more than be the public face of the NHL clubs community outreach programs. Thanks for clarifying. Do you have any idea how many people in this sport that don’t crave public attention, don’t profit from it and who’s kids don’t personally benefit from it do infinitely more with less resources? They actually make the sport and it’s participants better at the ground level. So forgive me if I don’t rush to kiss the ground the guy walks on. And I never accused him of anything. All I’ve said is that he’s not doing anything productive for the greater hockey community. You love him though so good on ya!

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18 minutes ago, RegDunlop7 said:

I find it hard to believe that an 18U team would hold 12:00 practices unless it was affiliated with a particular school -- seems like a heavy burden for students attending schools that aren't a five minute drive from the rink. I'm also convinced that @Danner27 and @The King are the same person with how much they compliment each other on here lol.

Oh no you’ve figured it out. Man you’re a Real sleuth kid. 

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16 minutes ago, Saucey said:

Yes! I've been thinking that too, same person.

You’re really excited to have someone to agree with. Come on @Saucey calm down

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1 hour ago, Hockey1 said:

The 2003 team has been one of the most successful teams in the organization, going back to mites! Check out their overall record, It is one of the most talented birth years in Pittsburgh. Not sure what Morehouse has done to piss you off, but you need to get over it! He has done more for Pittsburgh hockey then anyone has in the last 10 years. Did it help his son, probably... in doing so it has help thousands of local and yes, kids that want to come to Pittsburgh to train and play in a good organization. Say what you want about DM, or the organization, but it’s successful. It shows by the number of kids drafted (wasn’t the number one overall pick in the USHL draft last year developed, trained and played for the PPE) committed to colleges, and I’m not talking just about the boys, the girls teams are very successful and have developed nicely, with a lot girls committed. He’s also one of a few who is responsible for bringing the USHL fall classic to Pittsburgh, that’s great for the local communities and players. They are putting more resources, time and money into the program for the girls. Doesn’t matter who’s involved, it’s good for Pittsburgh and kids that choose to send their kids to NC/Excel/ or PPE!

No doubt the 2003 birth year was one of the most talented birth years in Pittsburgh hockey history.  But let's not forget that the PPE started recruiting kids from out of town in order to get them that national championship.  I'm not hating, but that's what happened. Bringing players in from Chicago and other areas across the country while taking spots from kids locally.  Not sure how that's great for local players.  

As far as the PPE goes and their "development", the 14s and 15s couldn't even get out of one of the easiest districts to qualify from.  14s lost to the 40th ranked team and 15s lost  as well to an inferior team.  But at least the 16s won it all! Not to mention the dumpster that was the 18s this season.   

 

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6 minutes ago, The King said:

So he’s done nothing more than be the public face of the NHL clubs community outreach programs. Thanks for clarifying. Do you have any idea how many people in this sport that don’t crave public attention, don’t profit from it and who’s kids don’t personally benefit from it do infinitely more with less resources? They actually make the sport and it’s participants better at the ground level. So forgive me if I don’t rush to kiss the ground the guy walks on. And I never accused him of anything. All I’ve said is that he’s not doing anything productive for the greater hockey community. You love him though so good on ya!

So, since he has a son that plays in the program, he's not supposed to help build and support the sport.. I mean by your logic, he shouldn't be involved at all.  FYI, he doesn't profit a single penny from helping to build the sport.  Obviously you don't know him, and don't have to "kiss the ground he walks on" to know that he doesn't crave any public attention or acknowledgement.  All this back and forth doesn't help anyone, at the end of the day, the question is "is youth hockey in Pittsburgh better off since the Pens and DM have been involved", I would argue yes, it's 10x's better now than before the involvement.  I am going to go out on a limb and guess you disagree?

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So PPE goes 1/4 in a District as weak as MidAm is? In a District where they have done everything that they can to eliminate any and all possible competition?

This is an organization that, and I quote they themselves "has the best coaches, the best facilities and the best players". If this is true, this can only be construed as one thing. A colossal failure at their home rink.

 

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