RJUSHL Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Does PAHL send data to MyHockeyRankings.com before they even start listing preseason placements on the PAHL website? For example... https://myhockeyrankings.com/league_info.php?l=9 Drilling down into some of the divisions, the data seems fairly accurate. For example several former PAHL teams that have decided to go independent this upcoming season not listed in any of the divisions. Other examples make me think this is fairly accurate info. Maybe it's always been like this, but I haven't noticed it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carroll81 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 2 hours ago, RJUSHL said: Does PAHL send data to MyHockeyRankings.com before they even start listing preseason placements on the PAHL website? For example... https://myhockeyrankings.com/league_info.php?l=9 Drilling down into some of the divisions, the data seems fairly accurate. For example several former PAHL teams that have decided to go independent this upcoming season not listed in any of the divisions. Other examples make me think this is fairly accurate info. Maybe it's always been like this, but I haven't noticed it before. It is primarily done by volunteers: https://myhockeyrankings.com/report_scores.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFalls Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 4 hours ago, RJUSHL said: Does PAHL send data to MyHockeyRankings.com before they even start listing preseason placements on the PAHL website? For example... https://myhockeyrankings.com/league_info.php?l=9 Drilling down into some of the divisions, the data seems fairly accurate. For example several former PAHL teams that have decided to go independent this upcoming season not listed in any of the divisions. Other examples make me think this is fairly accurate info. Maybe it's always been like this, but I haven't noticed it before. this is last season’s placements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saucey Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 52 minutes ago, BeaverFalls said: this is last season’s placements. No. There are more teams listed for 16uAA than played last year, for instance. I doubt PAHL sent any thing, divisions haven't been set. My guess is self reporting or people looking at organization websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted August 2, 2021 Author Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, BeaverFalls said: this is last season’s placements. It's listed as 2021-2022 season, and the team numbers are not the same as last year. It's definitely this upcoming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted August 2, 2021 Author Share Posted August 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Saucey said: My guess is self reporting or people looking at organization websites. I was thinking self reporting as well, but the numbers assigned to teams looks like how PAHL assigns numbers. There is too much info here for it to be self-reporting. I think PAHL sent them the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted August 2, 2021 Author Share Posted August 2, 2021 2 hours ago, carroll81 said: It is primarily done by volunteers: https://myhockeyrankings.com/report_scores.php I know the scores are reported and corrected by volunteers and self-submissions. But this is different than that. It'll be interesting to see in a few weeks if this lines up with PAHLs preseason placements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted August 2, 2021 Author Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Saucey said: I doubt PAHL sent any thing, divisions haven't been set. My guess is self reporting or people looking at organization websites. That kind of makes sense but it doesn't add up. For example, how would they look at the Preds website and know that their 2009 team is playing independent? They are playing independent, and that matches up with them missing from the 12U AA division on the site. They can't find that looking at a website. I have about a half dozen other examples similar to that. I think PAHL sent MyHockeyRankings the data before they released on their website. Seems strange but I think that's what happened. Edited August 2, 2021 by RJUSHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, RJUSHL said: That kind of makes sense but it doesn't add up. For example, how would they look at the Preds website and know that their 2009 team is playing independent? They are playing independent, and that matches up with them missing from the 12U AA division on the site. They can't find that looking at a website. I have about a half dozen other examples similar to that. I think PAHL sent MyHockeyRankings the data before they released on their website. Seems strange but I think that's what happened. That's really odd especially at the squirt level. The others you could probably guestimate who was playing where based on last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saucey Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, RJUSHL said: That kind of makes sense but it doesn't add up. For example, how would they look at the Preds website and know that their 2009 team is playing independent? They are playing independent, and that matches up with them missing from the 12U AA division on the site. They can't find that looking at a website. I have about a half dozen other examples similar to that. I think PAHL sent MyHockeyRankings the data before they released on their website. Seems strange but I think that's what happened. One last time...PAHL did not send data because there is none to send. Placement games haven't happened, the PAHL placement committee has not met. People are guessing or other people are reporting it. For instance, I am not aware that the Pittsburgh Vipers are fielding a 16u AA team this year yet they are in there. You sound like a new squirt parent, squirts get placed later than all the other ages, too. You can relax, nothing has happened yet. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Saucey said: One last time...PAHL did not send data because there is none to send. Placement games haven't happened, the PAHL placement committee has not met. People are guessing or other people are reporting it. For instance, I am not aware that the Pittsburgh Vipers are fielding a 16u AA team this year yet they are in there. You sound like a new squirt parent, squirts get placed later than all the other ages, too. You can relax, nothing has happened yet. ? Definitely not a new squirt parent! Does PAHL create the three digit team code or is that someone else? I see what you're saying Saucey but it doesn't add up. I think My Hockey Rankings is reporting preliminary (based on PAHL database and teams self-placement) and what we are seeing are the PAHL preliminary placements. They gave the info to My Hockey Rankings. Of course those preliminary placements are subject to change based on placement games and other factors. From what I can see, the info is pretty accurate and complete. More than what would be possible with all those teams just self-reporting. They clearly had PAHL help. Edited August 3, 2021 by RJUSHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOldPucker Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Are the rinks still using that electronic score sheet system? IIRC I think that it might be linked to MHR somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFalls Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 The divisions I’m familiar with are the exact same as what they were last year; to include teams that played in an age group last year that aren’t even fielding a team in that age group this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, BeaverFalls said: The divisions I’m familiar with are the exact same as what they were last year; to include teams that played in an age group last year that aren’t even fielding a team in that age group this year. If that’s the case then I may be completely wrong here. The divisions I’m looking at aren’t the same as last year and they seem to reflect some very accurate info on where I would’ve expected teams to be. We’ll see! I saw it yesterday and thought it was interesting so I posted it. Edited August 3, 2021 by RJUSHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbin Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 7 hours ago, BeaverFalls said: The divisions I’m familiar with are the exact same as what they were last year; to include teams that played in an age group last year that aren’t even fielding a team in that age group this year. Look at 12U and 10U. They are all different. Different birth years, different team numbers, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifelongbender Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 14 hours ago, Saucey said: No. There are more teams listed for 16uAA than played last year, for instance. I doubt PAHL sent any thing, divisions haven't been set. My guess is self reporting or people looking at organization websites. @Saucey is right on this. The divisions haven't been set yet at PAHL. That data is, as far as I can tell, entered by volunteers. I do not believe that PAHL does anything with MHR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, Lifelongbender said: @Saucey is right on this. The divisions haven't been set yet at PAHL. That data is, as far as I can tell, entered by volunteers. I do not believe that PAHL does anything with MHR. Did PAHL assign the three digit code that is used by My Hockey Rankings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Ever consider that there is an MHR volunteer on the PAHL placement committee? The committee has a few left brained mathy types, which coincidentally fits the profile of most MHR volunteers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saucey Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, RJUSHL said: Did PAHL assign the three digit code that is used by My Hockey Rankings? 2 minutes ago, Jack Handey said: Ever consider that there is an MHR volunteer on the PAHL placement committee? The committee has a few left brained mathy types, which coincidentally fits the profile of most MHR volunteers. Oh my god. ? Regardless, it doesn't mean anything at this stage in the game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFalls Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 hours ago, forbin said: Look at 12U and 10U. They are all different. Different birth years, different team numbers, etc. i think they are using them as a placeholder. This years registered teams under last year’s placement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFalls Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 45 minutes ago, Saucey said: Oh my god. ? Regardless, it doesn't mean anything at this stage in the game. Week -8 Power Rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Jack Handey said: Ever consider that there is an MHR volunteer on the PAHL placement committee? The committee has a few left brained mathy types, which coincidentally fits the profile of most MHR volunteers. Yea that wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 54 minutes ago, Saucey said: Oh my god. ? Regardless, it doesn't mean anything at this stage in the game. No one said it did mean anything. No problem if you're not interested in this discussion. Thanks for letting us all know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, BeaverFalls said: i think they are using them as a placeholder. This years registered teams under last year’s placement. I think you are exactly right! They received all the registered teams from PAHL and then just slotted them in on their own under placements from last year. So it includes current registered PAHL teams and that explains how they seem to know which teams are now independent, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey57410 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, RJUSHL said: No one said it did mean anything. No problem if you're not interested in this discussion. Thanks for letting us all know. Someone is prepping to brag about their kids squirt a minor team being ranked #1 preseason polls! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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