Paul Baxter Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Congratulations to the following teams who medaled in the 2021 Keystone Games: 16u Boys Midget, Gold Medal 18u Boys Midget, Silver Medal PB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 And to Central Region 18 U Bronze 16 U Silver 14 U Silver 12 U Bronze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 They should add copper or aluminum so everyone gets a medal. It's shameful that one team gets excluded like that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUCKCOVID19 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, sadday4hockey said: They should add copper or aluminum so everyone gets a medal. It's shameful that one team gets excluded like that!! well..... sucks to suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifelongbender Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, sadday4hockey said: They should add copper or aluminum so everyone gets a medal. It's shameful that one team gets excluded like that!! Everyone's a comedian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spear and Magic Helmet Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I have to say it is a bit amazing they were able to pull this off after a year where it was cancelled. I didn't have the best experience at the KSG and found my region to be disorganized and the coaching to be lacking. However, it is an event that definitely has potential to be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUCKCOVID19 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Spear and Magic Helmet said: I have to say it is a bit amazing they were able to pull this off after a year where it was cancelled. I didn't have the best experience at the KSG and found my region to be disorganized and the coaching to be lacking. However, it is an event that definitely has potential to be very good. it doesnt even attract the best kids, most of the best kids for west where at the chowder cup 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Having been a part of this for 25 years, the Keystone Games needs some work. Too many lopsided games in my opinion and some very close good games. The Regions in the West and Central need to be split down the middle the number of players and more players from the East Suburbs and North Suburbs need to participate and be included in both regions. The answer is that the West Region needs to have tryouts in North and East Suburbs and by re-drawing the district boundaries it will refuel the West and Central. And moving the games to the West half of the State would help as well. If you move the games West, you will see a lot of people play in the games locally and may give Boston a 2nd thought. I saw a few Pens Elite, Esmark and Vengeance kids participating FYI ............Kudos to the committee for starting later on Friday to save people money (one less hotel night). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckerandgrinder Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 6:39 PM, PUCKCOVID19 said: it doesnt even attract the best kids, most of the best kids for west where at the chowder cup Well then..... now that’s a hell of a point! if “the best” kids aren’t there just they should have just shut it all down. Honestly, why do players that aren’t the presumed and anointed “best kids” even play at all? Better yet.. dissolve PAHL and have high school hockey create a SEC- like power conference so the “haves” can all play each other exclusively. The “have nots”? Let them play shinny! SMH 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Motion to unpin from the top. This discussion, like the event before it, needs to fade away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFalls Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 6:39 PM, PUCKCOVID19 said: it doesnt even attract the best kids, most of the best kids for west where at the chowder cup Which definitely wasn’t the case in the early to mid 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 1 hour ago, muckerandgrinder said: if “the best” kids aren’t there just they should have just shut it all down. Honestly, why do players that aren’t the presumed and anointed “best kids” even play at all? Better yet.. dissolve PAHL and have high school hockey create a SEC- like power conference so the “haves” can all play each other exclusively. The “have nots”? Let them play shinny! SMH Isn't that exactly what PPE has done over the course of their existence? From "Elite Mites" to leaving the T1 Elite League and creating the "Northeast Pack" and finally the Prep Team that isn't really a Prep team. Shinny for the peasants is a great call mucker. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novos51 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 We participated at the 18u tournament for Central. Got bronze on a tie breaker to the west. Here is how it stacked up North Team - some college kids (ACHA mostly) some T3 kids and a mix of skill form Wilkes Barre area. Lost big to East, pretty big to Central, and beat West West Team - Similar mix bit more skill from around Pittsburgh area. Beat central 5-4, lost big to East, and lost to North Central - ACHA kids from Mercyhurst, Kids from Icemen, some AA, and a mix of others. Lost to west by a goal, beat Central pretty big, and lost 6-4 (with EN) East - Basically entire team was Jr. Flyers and Genesis. Kids said team was built two months prior and had been practicing. It showed. Our central team after two games really blended and gave them a heck of a game. This tournament is huge for the Philly area apparently. Not so much elsewhere. Central had a hard time getting kids. Lots of counties but really only four or five actually have hockey. The west has a large base to draw from but their isn’t anyway PPE or Esmark is going to let their kids play! My son and the players really enjoyed it. I didn’t like the three game format. No playoff feel. Tie breakers decided 2-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carroll81 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Novos51 said: We participated at the 18u tournament for Central. Got bronze on a tie breaker to the west. Here is how it stacked up North Team - some college kids (ACHA mostly) some T3 kids and a mix of skill form Wilkes Barre area. Lost big to East, pretty big to Central, and beat West West Team - Similar mix bit more skill from around Pittsburgh area. Beat central 5-4, lost big to East, and lost to North Central - ACHA kids from Mercyhurst, Kids from Icemen, some AA, and a mix of others. Lost to west by a goal, beat Central pretty big, and lost 6-4 (with EN) East - Basically entire team was Jr. Flyers and Genesis. Kids said team was built two months prior and had been practicing. It showed. Our central team after two games really blended and gave them a heck of a game. This tournament is huge for the Philly area apparently. Not so much elsewhere. Central had a hard time getting kids. Lots of counties but really only four or five actually have hockey. The west has a large base to draw from but their isn’t anyway PPE or Esmark is going to let their kids play! My son and the players really enjoyed it. I didn’t like the three game format. No playoff feel. Tie breakers decided 2-4. You might be mixing up your regions. Looking at the program rosters for 18U, the East was mostly from WBS teams. The South was mostly Genesis and Team Philly, with one Little Flyer and one Philly Elite (Hollydell). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novos51 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, carroll81 said: You might be mixing up your regions. Looking at the program rosters for 18U, the East was mostly from WBS teams. The South was mostly Genesis and Team Philly, with one Little Flyer and one Philly Elite (Hollydell). You are correct. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) Kudos to the Central Midget 18 U Team who battled the South (Handpicked team that had several Practices and Scrimmages) to a one goal game and if they had won would have pulled off Gold. Team was coached by Mercyhurst Coach Tom McKinnon who did a great job ! Mostly Erie College kids and High School Players (2002 - 2005 BY) Players gave Philly all they could handle. Central Midget 16 U, Bantam 14 U and Pee Wee 12 U all were very competitive and either beat Philly or played one goal games with them. Here's a beautiful stat about Keystone Games ,,,,,,South Region Philadelphia 6000 Registered USA Hockey Players - Central Great Lakes Nittany Region 1200 Registered USA Hockey Players. Also East 3500 and West 2700 Thanks to All who participated Edited August 14, 2021 by Pa Hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spear and Magic Helmet Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Honestly you have to think they will go the way other sports at the KSG went years ago and just have teams enter, rather than individuals. KSG needs to get with the times. Teams are picked in the spring now and many teams practice all summer. It's very expensive to out together a one off team for just one weekend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 8/15/2021 at 4:54 PM, Spear and Magic Helmet said: Honestly you have to think they will go the way other sports at the KSG went years ago and just have teams enter, rather than individuals. KSG needs to get with the times. Teams are picked in the spring now and many teams practice all summer. It's very expensive to out together a one off team for just one weekend. If the West (or Central, for that matter) is going to ever be able to compete with the South (philly), they need to pick a team right after Midams, practice and do at least 1 summer tourney before playing at KSG. The South continually has high level players in the boys' brackets, and practically no AAA players play for West or Central, thus making it a difficult task right out of the gate. I enjoy the KSG concept but it needs refinement - especially a playoff game. 3 games is too little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Yeah, a playoff would make it a little more meaningful. And move the event to State College. Seems like a pretty central location for all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 We have gone back and forth on the format and a 4th game would mean an additional (logistically double pad rink and one game a day with 5 divisions) day in the hotel and drive up the costs to an already expensive tournament. I would be in favor of a pre-tournament set of games between West / Central and South / East the week prior as a tune up for the actual games. The Format rewards the best teams because pretty good tiebreakers. Central Midget 16 U, Bantam 14 U and Pee Wee 12 U all were very competitive and either beat Philly or played one goal games with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novos51 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 I appreciate all this discussion. I think this tournament could be really awesome if people see the opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Novos51 said: I appreciate all this discussion. I think this tournament could be really awesome if people see the opportunity Novo ..............Needs to be good competition at all levels and playing field in West / Central needs to be leveled with distribution of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenstix Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 6:39 PM, PUCKCOVID19 said: it doesnt even attract the best kids, most of the best kids for west where at the chowder cup you are correct about Chowder Cup. Unfortunately many of the "better" players do not play HS hockey.... if I am not mistaken, KSG participation is for Scholastic/HS players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novos51 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, brokenstix said: you are correct about Chowder Cup. Unfortunately many of the "better" players do not play HS hockey.... if I am not mistaken, KSG participation is for Scholastic/HS players. I would dispute this on a couple of levels. Most of the teams had college kids at the 18u level and the Philly team was mostly AAA. With the exception of PPE most other programs allow their kids to play HS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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