fafa fohi Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) Props to two local boys making the U18 National Team. Edited April 25 by fafa fohi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyisgreat Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Care to tell us who those 2 are without us having to look them up? Are they both Pens Elite 18U last year? Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champeen Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, hockeyisgreat said: Care to tell us who those 2 are without us having to look them up? Are they both Pens Elite 18U last year? Thanks in advance! Christian Humphreys and LJ Mooney. Both played with the USNTDP this past year. Mooney (2007) started the year w/ the U17s. Now playing up a BY with mostly 06s on the U18 team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 20 minutes ago, hockeyisgreat said: Care to tell us who those 2 are without us having to look them up? Are they both Pens Elite 18U last year? Thanks in advance! The best kids don't stick around for Pens at 18U. Mooney played up through 16U. Humphries last played for Pens when he was 13 then went to prep school I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zam Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 The best kids don't stick around anywhere for 18u. The best kids are playing USHL, OHL, NTDP at 16u and certainly by 17u. And i'd guess a good number of the "next best" kids are playing some other Junior League by 18u as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazedandconfused Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Well how about that? 2 Pittsburgh players on this team and yet the nay-sayers on here still bash local hockey. Seems it's mostly disappointment of their own that they are displaying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, dazedandconfused said: Well how about that? 2 Pittsburgh players on this team and yet the nay-sayers on here still bash local hockey. Seems it's mostly disappointment of their own that they are displaying. Local hockey organizations did little to contribute. Or at least, there's more to the story than local hockey. Edited April 25 by nemesis8679 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Politics Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 10 hours ago, aaaahockey said: The best kids don't stick around for Pens at 18U. Mooney played up through 16U. Humphries last played for Pens when he was 13 then went to prep school I believe. Bishop Kearney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Humphreys left the pens because his brother was cut if I recall - we are getting past the birth years I know much about these days. The mom ran the pens sled or special needs team, don’t recall which. Parent’s got pissed and sent their kids off to prep school. Probabaly the correct decision for the better kid even though it was made with emotion. All of us old timers know who the Mooney familay is - who they are related to. Never saw the kid play, couldn’t tell you how good he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 8 minutes ago, Danner27 said: All of us old timers know who the Mooney familay is - who they are related to. Never saw the kid play, couldn’t tell you how good he is. He's excellent. Probably one of the only kids the pens can actually take credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Politics Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 I watched the game against Slovakia today, and that kid has acceleration like a freaking rocket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazedandconfused Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 32 minutes ago, aaaahockey said: only kids the pens can actually take credit for. Not!! Just like his cousin, it's 90% Jon Sr. and his training methods. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, dazedandconfused said: Not!! Just like his cousin, it's 90% Jon Sr. and his training methods. I'll take your word for it! It wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 48 minutes ago, aaaahockey said: I'll take your word for it! It wouldn't surprise me. He's right, and the family knows how to hype the kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zam Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 7 hours ago, nemesis8679 said: He's right, and the family knows how to hype the kid. Sometimes it's hard to keep up with all the many wisdoms this forum provides. So far it's generally understood that, Good players leave PPE but we should credit the players' success to the team they left for. Good players come from elsewhere to PPE but credit should go to the organization they came from. The new one I got to wrap my head around, Good players start at PPE and stay there but we should credit the father's training and hype. Any others I'm missing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 29 minutes ago, zam said: Sometimes it's hard to keep up with all the many wisdoms this forum provides. So far it's generally understood that, Good players leave PPE but we should credit the players' success to the team they left for. Good players come from elsewhere to PPE but credit should go to the organization they came from. The new one I got to wrap my head around, Good players start at PPE and stay there but we should credit the father's training and hype. Any others I'm missing? I think it's a little more nuanced than that. I would give pens credit for a players development if they played both 14u and 16u years there. These are the most important. I wouldn't give them credit for a 12 year old who leaves for prep school. That seems a little silly. I also don't give them credit for someone they import for the 16u team for a year who then immediately leaves to play juniors. The hard fact is there are very very few pens players who start young and stay in the program through 16u and are successful. As a matter of fact, and speaking to their own development model, not a lot of kids develop to even make the 16u team (or maybe they are leaving due to all the extra requirements/money like excel north catholic etc.). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 For those that want to keep up with Team USA: https://teamusa.usahockey.com/2024u18mwcschedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazedandconfused Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, zam said: start at PPE and stay there but we should credit the father's training and hype. That's correct. Because he was far and away that much better than everyone else at 07 when he got to PPE because of the dad. This preceded the Elite Mites (still love that) and Jon was the Coach and the kid was playing for the 06 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zam Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Maybe we could give a little credit to the kids themselves for taking some natural talent and adding in a bunch of hard work and dedication. And the team or organization where they played or trained only played a small part. I'm pretty sure if Mooney adopted any of our kids years ago and sprinkled his magic training on them, they still wouldn't be representing the USA at world championships. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zam Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, aaaahockey said: I think it's a little more nuanced than that. I would give pens credit for a players development if they played both 14u and 16u years there. These are the most important. I wouldn't give them credit for a 12 year old who leaves for prep school. That seems a little silly. I also don't give them credit for someone they import for the 16u team for a year who then immediately leaves to play juniors. The hard fact is there are very very few pens players who start young and stay in the program through 16u and are successful. As a matter of fact, and speaking to their own development model, not a lot of kids develop to even make the 16u team (or maybe they are leaving due to all the extra requirements/money like excel north catholic etc.). I think I found 1 player that fits your criteria! From Western PA Played,PPE 14U,15U,16U, Invited to NTDP tryout Drafted USHL Boston University Commit Drafted 3rd round NHL Who gets the credit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hockey Fan Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 39 minutes ago, zam said: I think I found 1 player that fits your criteria! From Western PA Played,PPE 14U,15U,16U, Invited to NTDP tryout Drafted USHL Boston University Commit Drafted 3rd round NHL Who gets the credit? How about we give credit to the kid. I don’t think any coach or program deserves all the credit for any player advancing. Talent has to be there. Kid has to want it and work hard. Coaches can’t do anything about either of those criteria. Yes coaches can and do influence how players advance, but without talent and dedication to hard work, kids aren’t going anywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 hours ago, zam said: I think I found 1 player that fits your criteria! From Western PA Played,PPE 14U,15U,16U, Invited to NTDP tryout Drafted USHL Boston University Commit Drafted 3rd round NHL Who gets the credit? I'd say that is a success! Now - how many people pay how many dollars to have a success rate that you can find one person? Serious question. If you are being sold this is the premier program and the way to make it to the big leagues and dumping 40K per year on it when we include excel + NC, is it worth is? I'm not even doubting its the best program in the area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewster Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 23 hours ago, dazedandconfused said: Not!! Just like his cousin, it's 90% Jon Sr. and his training methods. I’d love to know a little bit more about Jon Sr’s training methods. I don’t know any details, but it seems to me that he’s obviously doing something right. If anyone that has any information that they’d be willing to share privately and confidentially (i.e. written plan, home exercise program, nutritional assessment and any supplements, seasonal/time of the year protocols, etc) please feel free to DM me. There’s a ton of newer sport-specific training methods centered on the holistic approach…especially the previously much-overlooked side of sports involving mental health and management. There’s still so much information and knowledge to be gained. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hockey Fan Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 24 minutes ago, Rewster said: I’d love to know a little bit more about Jon Sr’s training methods. I don’t know any details, but it seems to me that he’s obviously doing something right. If anyone that has any information that they’d be willing to share privately and confidentially (i.e. written plan, home exercise program, nutritional assessment and any supplements, seasonal/time of the year protocols, etc) please feel free to DM me. There’s a ton of newer sport-specific training methods centered on the holistic approach…especially the previously much-overlooked side of sports involving mental health and management. There’s still so much information and knowledge to be gained. I think a lot of it has to do with two things, genetics and the fact that they have their own refrigerated rink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebucket Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 11 hours ago, zam said: I think I found 1 player that fits your criteria! From Western PA Played,PPE 14U,15U,16U, Invited to NTDP tryout Drafted USHL Boston University Commit Drafted 3rd round NHL Who gets the credit? Edited April 27 by Icebucket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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