AAAAleaguestarter Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 How many schools couldn't end up putting teams in the pihl this year due to the number of 07by players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 I’m wondering the same thing. It’s no fun to cut a skilled kid from the middle school team simply because you’ve hit your limit of a certain birth year. Our school wouldn’t have had a team last year under this rule. It’s my understanding that Mid Am is responsible for this. PIHL doesn’t want this rule at all....there has been an exception granted each year allowing 9 pee wee birth year kids per team for the last several years and Mid Am is refusing to grant the exception this year. This will kill some MS teams for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 MId Am is overstepping their boundaries and should get sued by the PIHL. Their is no huge risk of these 6th graders playing since it is non checking and they should leave well enough alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hky05 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Kiski and Greensburg salem so I’ve heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seejay784 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Ringgold lost their team this year I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questions21 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) . Edited July 16, 2019 by Questions21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucks11 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I asked my sons school about him playing as a 6th grader and they said NO because of the hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Shore Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Pucks11 said: I asked my sons school about him playing as a 6th grader and they said NO because of the hitting. Is there checking in Middle School hockey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinstrap Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Eddie Shore said: Is there checking in Middle School hockey? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Pucks11 said: I asked my sons school about him playing as a 6th grader and they said NO because of the hitting. Your son's school needs to be brought up to speed on MS hockey as there is no hitting. It is one of the reasons why some parents with smaller and less skilled players are more open to MS hockey vs PAHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyisgreat Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 How is the PIHL tied into MidAm? I searched Mid Am website to find a link and was unable. I'm just trying to understand how the 25% rule applys to the PIHL and Middle School Hockey. I guess the PIHL is also tied into USA Hockey somehow? I'm new to all this and just trying to understand it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAAAleaguestarter Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 Are any teams that did not join the pihl putting together independent teams for the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sample39 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 USA Hockey is the main governing body that oversees hockey across the country. Under USA Hockey, you have different Districts/Affiliates such as Atlantic, Central, and in our case - Mid-American (MidAm). Under the Districts, you have leagues that fall within their supervised areas, such as the PIHL and PAHL in our area. Individual leagues have their own rules, but also must adhere to rules set by their district, as well as the standard USA Hockey rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Chinstrap said: 3 hours ago, Eddie Shore said: Is there checking in Middle School hockey? No Except for the occasional 8th grader who "forgets" he's not in a 14u bantam game. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Shore Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Chinstrap said: No So what is the "hitting" this person was talking about, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinstrap Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfinger Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, sample39 said: USA Hockey is the main governing body that oversees hockey across the country. Under USA Hockey, you have different Districts/Affiliates such as Atlantic, Central, and in our case - Mid-American (MidAm). Under the Districts, you have leagues that fall within their supervised areas, such as the PIHL and PAHL in our area. Individual leagues have their own rules, but also must adhere to rules set by their district, as well as the standard USA Hockey rules. To be clear though, this 25% rule is not a USA Hockey rule, this is strictly Mid-Am doing this. Other districts do not implement this policy. We had families recently move in from other districts that couldn't believe there was such a rule because we were unable to take their 2007 because we had hit the limit....we will have a short bench because of this and next year, maybe no team at all in PIHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot02 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) The primary issue is there is no official “middle school” classification. The Classification is the age of play. High school includes only High School programs (Varsity and Junior Varsity). Elementary School and Middle School programs must be shown as the USA Hockey-defined Classification, i.e., 8U, 10U, etc., using the USA Hockey age classifications for these teams. The team is classified based on the age of the oldest player on the roster. In the case of middle school, that is 14U/Bantam. Any 2007s are considered 12U that are playing up, therefore MIDAM is restricting the amount of players that can play up. The rule applies to amateur and school teams. It makes some sense for amateur, but not for middle school - but there is no difference in how it is applied. It’s a PIHL rule that there is no checking at this age group. MIDAM isn’t going to change the entire rule to accommodate school hockey, unfortunately. Edited July 16, 2019 by Ynot02 Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucks11 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 6 hours ago, fafa fohi said: Your son's school needs to be brought up to speed on MS hockey as there is no hitting. It is one of the reasons why some parents with smaller and less skilled players are more open to MS hockey vs PAHL. YES. I know this, but they still said NO because of the % rule too even though he would improve the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Shore Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Pucks11 said: YES. I know this, but they still said NO because of the % rule too even though he would improve the team. So, was it because of checking or % rule? Which is it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucks11 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Eddie Shore said: So, was it because of checking or % rule? Which is it? Checking and then when I pointed out the no checking it was the % rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifelongbender Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 There is no body checking, but as Jack Handey noted above, most of the players are bantams who body check in amateur hockey. U12 parents whose players want to play middle school have to sign a waiver because of this. My son played middle school in sixth grade, but that was a few years ago and things have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Shore Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Here is a question for the group. Does it seem that in the last 5+ years or so, there has been this major fear of having kids check? My child is grown now, but 10 years ago I can tell you this was not the case (also checking started in PeeWee's then not Bantams). I mean kids play football before the age of 13 and there is tackling in that still right? So, why this huge concern? It seems that all you hear about from parents is this huge issue they have with checking. I have my own theories, but I would like to get input from others as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Agreed Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sample39 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Eddie, I think removing body checking at 12U has amplified the parent paranoia, and in some areas hindered the kids development. I understand the thought process behind removing it 8 or so years ago, but respectfully disagree with it. It's better for players to learn and acclimate themselves to body-checking at a younger age, where both first and second year players are still relatively small. At bantam, the size discrepancy is much larger. You can have a first year player at 4'11 and 85lbs go up against a second year player who is 5'10 and 160lbs. That's the nature of bantam hockey. When you factor in the first year player having no experience with checking, specifically lacking good habits to properly protect themselves, then things can get dangerous. They should consider reintroducing body-checking back into 12U, however, I fear they're more likely to remove it from 14U. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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