BACKCHECKING Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I am curious to know the cost for tryouts and yearly fee difference between all the organization’s? Are they all about the same? ALLEGHENY BADGERS ALTOONA TRACKERS ARCTIC FOXES ARMSTRONG ARROWS BEAVER COUNTY BADGERS BUTLER VALLEY DAWGS CRAWFORD COUNTY FLAMES ERIE LIONS ESMARK STARS FAYETTE ICE MINERS INDIANA CHIEFS JOHNSTOWN JETS JOHNSTOWN WARRIORS (CAMBRIA) LAWRENCE COUNTY LIGHTING MON VALLEY THUNDER MORGANTOWN BLADES MT. LEBANON HORNETS NORTH PITTSBURGH WILDCATS PENS ELITE PITTSBURGH AVIATORS PITTSBURGH HUSKIES PITTSBURGH PREDATORS PITTSBURGH VENGEANCE PITTSBURGH VIPERS SOUTH HILLS PANTHERS SOUTHPOINTE RINK RATS STATE COLLEGE ICERS STEEL CITY ICE RENEGADES WESTMORELAND EAGLES WHEELING NAILERS YOUNGSTOWN PHANTOMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbin Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 This information can be found on the associations websites. The PAHL website lists them all as links, so you can easily navigate to each one. Most PAHL teams are roughly the same amount per season +/- a couple hundred dollars. It also depends on the age and level of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, BACKCHECKING said: I am curious to know the cost for tryouts and yearly fee difference between all the organization’s? Are they all about the same? ALLEGHENY BADGERS ALTOONA TRACKERS ARCTIC FOXES ARMSTRONG ARROWS BEAVER COUNTY BADGERS BUTLER VALLEY DAWGS CRAWFORD COUNTY FLAMES ERIE LIONS ESMARK STARS FAYETTE ICE MINERS INDIANA CHIEFS JOHNSTOWN JETS JOHNSTOWN WARRIORS (CAMBRIA) LAWRENCE COUNTY LIGHTING MON VALLEY THUNDER MORGANTOWN BLADES MT. LEBANON HORNETS NORTH PITTSBURGH WILDCATS PENS ELITE PITTSBURGH AVIATORS PITTSBURGH HUSKIES PITTSBURGH PREDATORS PITTSBURGH VENGEANCE PITTSBURGH VIPERS SOUTH HILLS PANTHERS SOUTHPOINTE RINK RATS STATE COLLEGE ICERS STEEL CITY ICE RENEGADES WESTMORELAND EAGLES WHEELING NAILERS YOUNGSTOWN PHANTOMS PPE and ESMARK are close on fee’s, the travel pushes esmark to the top locally for cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazedandconfused Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Not sure if a list of all associations was necessary but okay...... This is probably the most difficult thing to determine. Not necessarily at the PAHL A levels and lower but at the AAA, High AA PAHL and independent team levels. Travel costs, tournament fees, coach travel expenses and other "unknown fees" vary greatly. You practically need to be a CPA and have a reliable person at each organization to get an accurate measure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifelongbender Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, dazedandconfused said: This is probably the most difficult thing to determine. Not necessarily at the PAHL A levels and lower but at the AAA, High AA PAHL and independent team levels. Travel costs, tournament fees, coach travel expenses and other "unknown fees" vary greatly. You practically need to be a CPA and have a reliable person at each organization to get an accurate measure. Right. Exactly right. The teams that get talked about most on here - the travel teams and "AAA" teams - are vastly more expensive to play on than just the organizational fees. I think there are lots of parents who aren't entirely clear that this is true, or just by how much it is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Even if you gather a bunch of prices, you can't use that as an apples to apples comparison. Every association offers different stuff in their programs. Different ice amounts, different training options, etc. And every association has a different ice rate from their home rink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snap Shot Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jack Handey said: Even if you gather a bunch of prices, you can't use that as an apples to apples comparison. Every association offers different stuff in their programs. Different ice amounts, different training options, etc. And every association has a different ice rate from their home rink. 100% correct. Almost needs to be broken down as $$ amount per hour of ice time or training, or however you want to break it down so that it can be compared accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I won't rehash what has already been said about season fees, but to your original question about tryout fees they will range between $150-200 with a commitment fee anywhere from $400-600 if your player accepts a position with an organization. But be careful when it comes to commitment fees - some organizations are going the route that if your player is offered a position on their top team, say a PAHL organization with an AA level team. they may keep the commitment fee regardless if your player accepts the position or not. They are doing this to prevent players from trying out with multiple organizations and putting some of them on hold while said player is weighing their options outside of the commitment deadline which creates problems for player placement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoboys Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I think this thread is proof that a lot of people really only care about the cost. They don't care if they get the extra ice or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snap Shot Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, The King said: True and sad. This is your consumer based hockey culture Unless a parent is wealthy, cost is always a question. That being said, making a decision purely based on cost is not the smartest way to go about things in my opinion. It helps to know what you are getting for your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lferg Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Cost for tryouts and yearly fee difference between all the organization’s? Are they all about the same? - the simple answer is YES. Exceptions are AAA team, which likely don't apply to person who is asking. Otherwise you would know the answer... What is different, is what you get for this "about the same cost". If you are at the beginner level, then comparing on cost difference is not worth it. More on a convenience and "where friends go". If you decide to compare on true cost, then you need to factor in the following: A. Total Program Fee (all fees, including teem fund, uniform, club fees, etc. Do not include travel fees/costs) B. Total number of Instructional Hours (Ice practices + games + off-ice instructions) Get the Cost Per Instructional Hour A/B. Before making conclusion, consider adjusting for C and D: C. Professional Vs Non Professional coaches/Skills instructions (depending on how YOU feel about it. For example, you may decide that extra $5 per Instructional Hour worth the Pro Coach option.) D. Convenience. Cost (gas, time) to cover the distance from your house to a rink. For example, if you plan to bring your kid to 100 practices/games in a season, the difference in cost/convenience between the 10-min away rink, and 1hr away rink would be huge. And of course time: drive + dress up + practice = you stuck at the ring Vs dropped off, go home, come back later to pick up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 So, since it's sort of an added cost to play I just posted here in lieu of starting another thread. It was nice to see an email yesterday that in the midst of all of this you could count on Posey to make sure that you knew he and PIA were still open to accept your money for his tune-up camps. Damn the Covid-19, full speed ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 18 hours ago, sadday4hockey said: So, since it's sort of an added cost to play I just posted here in lieu of starting another thread. It was nice to see an email yesterday that in the midst of all of this you could count on Posey to make sure that you knew he and PIA were still open to accept your money for his tune-up camps. Damn the Covid-19, full speed ahead. How else is your elite squirt gonna make the big show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot02 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 From a PIA email: Our staff has taken increased steps to ensure a safe environment for our customers, and public areas will be disinfected on a regular basis. So one positive out of this pandemic is that they may actually clean that filthy rink. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 12 hours ago, Ynot02 said: From a PIA email: Our staff has taken increased steps to ensure a safe environment for our customers, and public areas will be disinfected on a regular basis. So one positive out of this pandemic is that they may actually clean that filthy rink. Very true! A new enrollment was just sent out the rink is closed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazedandconfused Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 So, I watched on the news last night that Heritage Valley, AHN and Excela Health have all stopped all elective surgeries but UPMC has not done so. As I watched the UPMC talking head doing her best to justify it and spinning it different ways, I thought to myself has there ever been two better partners in the name of greed than UPMC and the PPE? Me thinks not, but would like to hear thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinstrap Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Well, never personally been associated with PPE but......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/26/2020 at 7:23 PM, dazedandconfused said: So, I watched on the news last night that Heritage Valley, AHN and Excela Health have all stopped all elective surgeries but UPMC has not done so. As I watched the UPMC talking head doing her best to justify it and spinning it different ways, I thought to myself has there ever been two better partners in the name of greed than UPMC and the PPE? Me thinks not, but would like to hear thoughts. They go together like peanut butter and jelly, considering my kids played for ppe and I have had upmc health insurance in the past, my input should matter on this ? I’ll stick with highmark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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