Hockeychick00 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I was at the game. Just for perspective, this was a large student section, about 150 kids. Their chants were very loud and clear. There was a constable standing next to the student section in a black shirt labeled "constable". I found it ironic that as the student section funneled out, I noted a girl wearing a "Treat People with Kindness" shirt. This behavior is par for the course at Armstrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfinger Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) Mars coaches should have pulled their team from the ice. Make a statement right then and there instead of letting her get more verbal abuse. Edited October 29, 2021 by powderfinger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duster19 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 UNacceptable! I would shut Armstrong down for the season. Where were the parents or other Armstrong adults? Talk about a low level class of people. The sad part….it’s just not Armstrong County or that program, it’s the world we live in today. Good sportsmanship barely exists anymore. Civility in society and respect for others is also almost non-existent. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Have the local news stations been contacted? If not, how does someone do that? It could be the only way to get some accountability here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 And I'm not laying blame, they obviously weren't chanting these things, but where was the Mars coaching staff during this? I would've demanded the refs do something, and my team wouldn't have played until this was addressed, period. Yelling parents and students acting up during the course of a game is one thing. But this is something entirely different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 29 minutes ago, sutton said: "eh, that's armstrong for you, that always happens there". BS, Something needs done on this eh. good luck legislating hate out of haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutton Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, nemesis8679 said: And I'm not laying blame, they obviously weren't chanting these things, but where was the Mars coaching staff during this? I would've demanded the refs do something, and my team wouldn't have played until this was addressed, period. Yelling parents and students acting up during the course of a game is one thing. But this is something entirely different. The Mars coaches were going at the officials all game for a variety of reasons, including a student dressed as a ref blowing a whistle during play. In this scenario and everything that happened documented on this thread, If you think any blame lies there, you need your head checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickboy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Did no one tell these kids to knock it off?! All adults that were in this rink aware and allowing this situation to continue, failed! This goes beyond sportsmanship; lack of human decency! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfinger Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, sutton said: The Mars coaches were going at the officials all game for a variety of reasons, including a student dressed as a ref blowing a whistle during play. In this scenario and everything that happened documented on this thread, If you think any blame lies there, you need your head checked. Not blaming the coaches at all. But at some point, you realize no one in "authority" at that rink was doing anything they should have taken it themselves to leave the ice. Imagine the impact that would have made. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 56 minutes ago, sutton said: The Mars coaches were going at the officials all game for a variety of reasons, including a student dressed as a ref blowing a whistle during play. In this scenario and everything that happened documented on this thread, If you think any blame lies there, you need your head checked. Did you read the part where I said, "I'm NOT laying blame..." I was just asking how they were responding here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my3sons Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 6 hours ago, forbin said: Yikes. @sutton I would highly suggest you report this to PIHL immediately. President Jack Kukan president@pihlhockey.com Vice President, East Jen Pingree eastvp@pihlhockey.com Vice President, West Jim Black westvp@pihlhockey.com Vice President, North Ryan Lamberger northvp@pihlhockey.com Vice President, South Mike McKitrick southvp@pihlhockey.com Treasurer Pete Gialames treasurer@pihlhockey.com Secretary Dawn Lecker secretary@pihlhockey.com Rules Interpreter Lori Hegedus rules@pihlhockey.com Commissioner John Mucha commissioner@pihlhockey.com 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyisgreat Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 The evidence is clear and undisputable. I would not let another team go into that rink as a visitor until this issue is dealt with by the PIHL and Armstrong. No place for that in High School Hockey. Maybe the Schools that Armstrong plays should refuse to go there until something is done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyisgreat Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I'd sure like to hear from an Armstrong fan or Parent that thought that was OK. We need to send that clip to the Superintendent of Armstrong School District. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarampage Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 As others have said, I can't understand how this was allowed to continue...it is the lowest of the low. Disgusting. If the student section at my son's high school game was acting like this, I guarantee his head coach would personally stop the game and not let it continue until it was taken care of... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, sarampage said: As others have said, I can't understand how this was allowed to continue...it is the lowest of the low. Disgusting. If the student section at my son's high school game was acting like this, I guarantee his head coach would personally stop the game and not let it continue until it was taken care of... If this happened at our high school game (by our fans) and it wasn't addressed my son would never play a high school hockey game again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Sutton, I don't think anyone is treating it as eh, just Armstrong. It's just that it's a behavior that has gone on there since the 80's and possibly longer. Something definitely needs done. It will be interesting to see how it is handled at a variety of levels from the Arrows Hockey program to the School District to the PIHL and MidAm. It's difficult for me to say at what level the officials are culpable, but one thing is for sure and that is that incidents like this that will continue to cause officials to stop skating games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 52 minutes ago, sadday4hockey said: Sutton, I don't think anyone is treating it as eh, just Armstrong. It's just that it's a behavior that has gone on there since the 80's and possibly longer. Something definitely needs done. It will be interesting to see how it is handled at a variety of levels from the Arrows Hockey program to the School District to the PIHL and MidAm. It's difficult for me to say at what level the officials are culpable, but one thing is for sure and that is that incidents like this that will continue to cause officials to stop skating games. They're totally culpable, they're there to be in charge. Warning, penalty, eject. This has been already gone over. They can stop the game right there. I've seen it happen over much less. C'mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carroll81 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, nemesis8679 said: They're totally culpable, they're there to be in charge. Warning, penalty, eject. This has been already gone over. They can stop the game right there. I've seen it happen over much less. C'mon. Is that a PIHL or MidAm policy? In the Atlantic district, we can't issue any penalties for spectator behavior. We eject them, stop the game until they leave, and have the team(s) identify the person. Can does not resume until all that happens. Then all the information is added to a supplemental game report. It is up to the league and district to take further action. The ICSHL has security at games here. They handle any crowd issues. We really don't get involved. As for the Mars coaches pulling their team... that's a big no-no. It is a match penalty for refusal to start play. Not sure what I would have done if I was working that game. But I will say that the league and district would not let it happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeydadlife Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, carroll81 said: Is that a PIHL or MidAm policy? In the Atlantic district, we can't issue any penalties for spectator behavior. We eject them, stop the game until they leave, and have the team(s) identify the person. Can does not resume until all that happens. Then all the information is added to a supplemental game report. It is up to the league and district to take further action. The ICSHL has security at games here. They handle any crowd issues. We really don't get involved. As for the Mars coaches pulling their team... that's a big no-no. It is a match penalty for refusal to start play. Not sure what I would have done if I was working that game. But I will say that the league and district would not let it happen again. Imagine if that was your daughter out there? Screw that match penalty! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 6 hours ago, hockeydadlife said: Imagine if that was your daughter out there? Screw that match penalty! So true. Best match penalty a team had ever taken. Should give them a banner just for having some character and it would be the most important lesson they probably have learned in their life. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOldPucker Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) Boorish fan behavior - especially from student groups - has been an issue off and on going back 40+ years to the days of the early days of the three separate HS leagues in Western PA (South Hills, West Penn, & Lake Shore) 1 - Isn't this the PIHL League Reps responsibility to deal with? This incident really needs to be dealt with at the school district\league level. I thought that the PIHL required security to be present at all games? 2 - If I were skating the game I would have the league rep have the security\constable speak to the offending group. I would note the time of this discussion with a brief description on the score sheet and follow up with a supplemental incident report. The two guys skating this game are very senior officials with probably 25-30 years in the stripes. I didn't hear any threats made from the stands, so at what point does it it rise to a level that intervention from the on ice officials is warranted? It's an age old discussion if\when\and how the officials should react\address fan behavior. Over the years, the consensus is that there are no right way for an official to deal with this stuff, only wrong ways.... Their job responsibility does not extend to crowd\fan control but it has been forced upon them at some levels due to lack of rink security. 3- IF (as an official) I were to take it upon myself to eject this group of fans (and obviously I have done this a few times over the years) I might want to consider whether I would need a police escort to leave the facility\area. This is even more of a concern now than it was even just 10 years ago. There are a few rinks that have the local police serving as security..... an ejection might just result in a disorderly conduct citation and a fine or possibly an arrest. 4- If I were the coach, I fell that I have two options: A) take my time out to settle the team and remind them them that, contrary to current popular belief, words only hurt you if you let them.. (I know that's easier said then done when you are dealing with kids). Have the team focus on winning the game, that the fans are doing it to try to get them thinking about their insults rather than the game. Then push the issue with the to the league afterwards, possibly report it to my own AD and what they have to say. B) confirm that I had the incident on video, request that the league rep and officials take measures to control the vulgar behavior. If it continued or they refused then I would take the Match penalty to force a league hearing on the issue. Edited October 30, 2021 by GrumpyOldPucker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Racki Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 My opinion is it is on the security person. That is what they are paid to do. I have seen security at the Belmont and numerous other places remove students over the years. That is the whole point of the PAYING for security. In PIHL games it is usually the student section that needs watched, warned, and ejected. Do your job. Let the refs ref, let the coaches coach, let the security handle unruly fans. Pretty simple or why are we even paying them to be there???? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 20 hours ago, my3sons said: President Jack Kukan president@pihlhockey.com Vice President, East Jen Pingree eastvp@pihlhockey.com Vice President, West Jim Black westvp@pihlhockey.com Vice President, North Ryan Lamberger northvp@pihlhockey.com Vice President, South Mike McKitrick southvp@pihlhockey.com Treasurer Pete Gialames treasurer@pihlhockey.com Secretary Dawn Lecker secretary@pihlhockey.com Rules Interpreter Lori Hegedus rules@pihlhockey.com Commissioner John Mucha commissioner@pihlhockey.com Jim black is still around ? I thought he had to step down due to conflict ? He is part owner of a rink PIHL sells ice to. He’s the epitome of corruption in youth sports - a politician taking kick backs. what happened at armstrong is fd up but the armstrong team should not be punished. Those kids are just playing the game. Blame the crap parenting and crap school district. Suspended the student section for a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifelongbender Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 hours ago, GrumpyOldPucker said: 1 - Isn't this the PIHL League Reps responsibility to deal with? This incident really needs to be dealt with at the school district\league level. I thought that the PIHL required security to be present at all games? It's my understanding that a Constable was present at the game per the requirement - didn't someone mention that you can see him standing next to the student section somewhere above? This is an honest question because I don't know - was a PIHL official present at this game? My local school teams have had several where PIHL officials were not present. I am just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Danner27 said: I thought he had to step down due to conflict ? I recall that. Right after he became part owner. Which was the right thing to do, right? I don't think Jim would have put up with this BS in his rink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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