Hattrick Swayze Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Here are the rankings for the top Tier 2 PAHL teams. 18U - Arctic Foxes - 92.96 - 19th USA Tier 2 05's - Steel City - 91.57 - 5th in USA Tier 2 06's - Allegheny Badgers - 89.60 - 5th in USA Tier 2 07's - Allegheny Badgers - 91.24 - 9th in USA Tier 2 08's - Steel City - 86.44 - 7th in USA Tier 2 09's - SHAHA - 89.41 - N/A 10's - Aviators - 84.41 - N/A 11's - North Pittsburgh - 87.54 - N/A 12's - Predators - 83.95 - N/A It is nice to see some of the local teams ranked so high in Tier 2. It would be great to see some of these teams represent Pittsburgh at USA Hockey Nationals in the spring! Going to enjoy seeing how the 14U -18U rankings play out through the Mid-Am tournament. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeydadlife Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I agree, good luck to those teams as the season heads for home. . Following a few tournaments from the weekend and saw there are a few top teams not entering in games that would lose them points, and that’s a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyisgreat Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Overall I would say that is pretty impressive. Who said Western Pa doesn't have good hockey? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, hockeyisgreat said: Overall I would say that is pretty impressive. Who said Western Pa doesn't have good hockey? To many it doesn't matter because these teams don't have enough As after their name. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saucey Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, aaaahockey said: To many it doesn't matter because these teams don't have enough As after their name. To me it's not that, but when was the last time that one of the Western Pa teams that went up to Nationals do well? Seems, with the exception of the girls, western Pa teams get their butts handed to them. Our market still doesn't compare on that level of competition. We are getting better. Our teams don't have comparable hockey IQ and our passing game looks nothing like the teams at that top level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Saucey said: To me it's not that, but when was the last time that one of the Western Pa teams that went up to Nationals do well? Seems, with the exception of the girls, western Pa teams get their butts handed to them. Our market still doesn't compare on that level of competition. We are getting better. Our teams don't have comparable hockey IQ and our passing game looks nothing like the teams at that top level. On another note .......Look at the ACHA Division 1 Scoring ........Three LOCAL Players in the Top 5 Scorers in the Country American Collegiate Hockey Association Skater Stats 2021-22 ACHA Men's Regular Season | American Collegiate Hockey Association (ACHA) (achahockey.org) Edited December 9, 2021 by Pa Hockey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereWithPopcorn Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 hours ago, hockeydadlife said: I agree, good luck to those teams as the season heads for home. . Following a few tournaments from the weekend and saw there are a few top teams not entering in games that would lose them points, and that’s a shame. Then report the scores on their behalf especially if there is online proof of the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaahockey Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, HereWithPopcorn said: Then report the scores on their behalf especially if there is online proof of the game. Why aren't the other teams reporting them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarampage Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Saucey said: To me it's not that, but when was the last time that one of the Western Pa teams that went up to Nationals do well? Seems, with the exception of the girls, western Pa teams get their butts handed to them. Our market still doesn't compare on that level of competition. We are getting better. Our teams don't have comparable hockey IQ and our passing game looks nothing like the teams at that top level. Definitely true for the most part. Lots of disappointment for teams who expected to do better. South Hills obviously did well with their 2003 team in 2018. Last season, North Pitt's 16U team team went 2-1 at Nationals which isn't bad. They didn't advance to the quarter finals due to tiebreaker rules. I could be wrong, but I think most teams that have gone recently haven't won more than one game... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbin Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Saucey said: Our teams don't have comparable hockey IQ and our passing game looks nothing like the teams at that top level. How do we fix that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saucey Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, forbin said: How do we fix that? I theorize that it is because our kids have less time to play on their own around here, with less access to ice to allow for the game to teach them. No outdoor rinks, etc. Small area games would be USA hockey's answer.With passing....gotta make em do it I guess. But I don't really know what is different in training. I just know that seems to be the glaring difference between our teams and those from the big markets. Edited December 10, 2021 by Saucey Clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Saucey said: I theorize that ir is because our kids have less time to play on their own around here, with less access to ice to allow for the game to teach them. No outdoor rinks, etc. Small area games would be USA hockey's answer. With passing....gotta make em do it I guess. But I don't really know what is different in training. I just know that seems to be the glaring difference between our teams and those from the big markets. Or maybe some kids should play Dek Hockey and Inline when they are less than 10 years old as a cheaper way of Skill Development 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis8679 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) From what I've seen, too much emphasis on individual skills, and no emphasis on hockey sense or playing a team game and filling the roles needed. More emphasis on trying to look like Pavel Barber than Pavel Datsyuk. A bigger deal made on what color your kids helmet is than how nice of a pass he made, or how many shots he blocked. How many players can I stick handle and deke around until I either score or turn the puck over, rather than how do the five of US get the puck out of our zone, into their zone, and in the net? And coaching that doesn't correct it at an early age. Edited December 10, 2021 by nemesis8679 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saucey Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Pa Hockey said: Or maybe some kids should play Dek Hockey and Inline when they are less than 10 years old as a cheaper way of Skill Development Yeah, or in the summer. Just go to a court with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 21 hours ago, Pa Hockey said: On another note .......Look at the ACHA Division 1 Scoring ........Three LOCAL Players in the Top 5 Scorers in the Country American Collegiate Hockey Association Skater Stats 2021-22 ACHA Men's Regular Season | American Collegiate Hockey Association (ACHA) (achahockey.org) Why didn't you include the top 20 which adds one more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 American Collegiate Hockey Association Skater Stats 2021-22 ACHA Men's Regular Season | American Collegiate Hockey Association (ACHA) (achahockey.org) Sure ........yet another Crimson Hawk and super Player ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUCKCOVID19 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 most of the time the Pittsburgh teams end up in the bottom division anyways and go 0-3 or 1-2. Pittsburgh is falling behind for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot02 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, PUCKCOVID19 said: most of the time the Pittsburgh teams end up in the bottom division anyways and go 0-3 or 1-2. Pittsburgh is falling behind for sure... For Tier II the bottom division is 1A. All Pgh teams were in 3A (top division) at Nationals this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1A 2A 3A is determined by geography and hockey-engagement within geography, and isn't indicative of the quality of a team. Example: last year 16u Tier II Ashburn Xtreme. MHR RANK: #1. Yes that says #1. At the top of Tier II. USA Hockey placed them in tier 2A for nationals. Obviously they could have hung with any of the 3A crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarampage Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 45 minutes ago, Jack Handey said: 1A 2A 3A is determined by geography and hockey-engagement within geography, and isn't indicative of the quality of a team. Example: last year 16u Tier II Ashburn Xtreme. MHR RANK: #1. Yes that says #1. At the top of Tier II. USA Hockey placed them in tier 2A for nationals. Obviously they could have hung with any of the 3A crowd. I was told that the divisions are based on membership size of the district with 3A being for teams out of the largest districts, which might explain why traditionally strong teams such as the Atlanta Fire and Ashburn Xtreme are put in 1A/2A. With that said, outside of a few teams in 1A, and 2A, 3A is definitely the strongest division overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, sadday4hockey said: Why didn't you include the top 20 which adds one more? Because he’s trying to brag about his kid 🙄 Edited December 11, 2021 by Danner27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Danner27 said: Because he’s trying to brag about his kid 🙄 I don't need to .....he can fend for himself. Justin Adamski (Hampton) and Roman Kramer (Serra) of RMU are tremendous young men and terrific players from Western Pennsylvania Dominick Glavech (Indiana PA) and Gavin Cummings (Buffalo and Vengeance) of IUP are great players as well so thanks for recognizing them Edited December 11, 2021 by Pa Hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadday4hockey Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Did Cummings turn 30 yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 He's getting there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hattrick Swayze Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 Not much has changed as far as the top teams but it is still great to see some local teams ranking so high Nationally. Latest Rankings: 18U - Arctic Foxes - 92.94 - 18th USA Tier 2 05's - Steel City - 91.61 - 6th USA Tier 2 06's - Allegheny - 90.07 - 5th USA Tier 2 07's - Allegheny - 91.06 - 7th USA Tier 2 08's - Steel City - 86.37 - 9th USA Tier 2 09's - SHAHA - 89.86 10's - Aviators - 85.02 11's - North Pgh - 88.00 12's - Preds - 84.56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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