Denis Lemiuex Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Simple. Let the coaches decide the classification for each team. They know their opponents best - who left, who returned and how talented each team should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hockey Fan Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Denis Lemiuex said: Simple. Let the coaches decide the classification for each team. They know their opponents best - who left, who returned and how talented each team should be. Sounds good in theory, but we all know that not every coach would be honest. Some would claim to be not as good so they could be placed in a division where they would have an easy road to a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Lemiuex Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 30 minutes ago, Happy Hockey Fan said: Sounds good in theory, but we all know that not every coach would be honest. Some would claim to be not as good so they could be placed in a division where they would have an easy road to a championship. No. All the coached decide. For instance. All the AAA coaches get together in July and they determine who will be the top teams vs the bottom teams. Then bottom teams then will be considered against the top returning AA teams and so on. I would not trust some of the coaches/organizations for sandbagging. Take it out of their hands. And I am sorry. No one in the league office probably has a clue either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carroll81 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 18 hours ago, Pa Hockey said: This is common sense and why would that matter? Great Post !! It's pretty simple Schools with Multiple JV and MS Programs (60 + Players ) AAA - These programs are loaded with numbers and should be AAA Schools with JV + MS (40 - 60 Players) AA - Schools with 40 Players or Less VAR - MS A - Usuallly lots of 9 and 10th graders forced to play Varsity due to NO JV Co Op for multiple school programs B This is just the base factor and IS close to where we are now through the competitive formula. It is working well so far and Norwin and McDowell should be in A until they build up numbers. All of these are fine programs at different stages of development and should be celebrated regardless as these students achieve a lifetime goal - Congrats to all! No other PA High School sport does it like this. They are all done by student population. They do not try to "balance" the competition at the league level. The teams can use their non-league games to play easier or harder competition. During the regular season, teams play outside their level, even in league play. Come playoff time, they play schools that are the same size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saucey Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, carroll81 said: No other PA High School sport does it like this. They are all done by student population. They do not try to "balance" the competition at the league level. The teams can use their non-league games to play easier or harder competition. During the regular season, teams play outside their level, even in league play. Come playoff time, they play schools that are the same size. I am glad that PIHL tries to make the schedule competitive all season. Blow out games are a waste of time for everyone. Those lopsided football scores are ridiculous and going to get worse as kids continue to avoid that sport in growing numbers. Edited March 21, 2022 by Saucey Separated comment from post 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancho1 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 On 3/18/2022 at 8:25 PM, Danner27 said: We get it, your kid plays for neshannock. It’s that a real division ? I think so. Didn't Ringgold beat your beloved Esmark superstars that were playing in this fake division a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 PENGUIN CUP FINALS A Norwin 5 McDowell 0 UPMC Lemieux Monday 21-Mar 8:45 PM FLYERS CUP FINALS A West Chester East 6 Springfield 2 IceLine Monday 21-Mar PENNSYLVANIA CUP FINALS A W Norwin E West Chester East IceLine Saturday 26-Mar 11:00 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 PENGUIN CUP SEMI-FINALS AAA North Allegheny 1 Seneca Valley 2 RMU Island Sports Monday 14-Mar 6:30 PM AAA Pine-Richland 0 Peters Township 5 RMU Island Sports Monday 14-Mar 8:30 PM PENGUIN CUP FINALS AAA Peters Township 6 Seneca Valley 2 UPMC Lemieux Monday 21-Mar 6:30 PM FLYERS CUP FINALS AAA Malvern Prep 6 St Josephs Prep 1 Tuesday 22-Mar PENNSYLVANIA CUP FINALS AAA W E IceLine Saturday 26-Mar 4:00 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) Peters Township was pretty dominant last night despite a couple calls and missed calls that went in favor of Seneca Valley. The freshman #28 from Peters was the best player on the ice for either team. His skill and skating is impressive. He was on a line with a sophomore #18 and they completely took over the game when on the ice together. Edited March 22, 2022 by RJUSHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUCKCOVID19 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, RJUSHL said: Peters Township was pretty dominant last night despite a couple calls and missed calls that went in favor of Seneca Valley. The freshman #28 from Peters was the best player on the ice for either team. His skill and skating is impressive. I believe he was on a line with a sophomore #18 and they completely took over the game when on the ice together. surprised ppe hasn't grabbed this kid yet. he is really good. why stay with that subpar shaha team. kid could go anywhere and be an impact player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, PUCKCOVID19 said: surprised ppe hasn't grabbed this kid yet. he is really good. why stay with that subpar shaha team. kid could go anywhere and be an impact player Seneca Valley was trying to line him up all night and just couldn't do it. Very deceptive skater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafa fohi Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, PUCKCOVID19 said: surprised ppe hasn't grabbed this kid yet. he is really good. why stay with that subpar shaha team. kid could go anywhere and be an impact player He used to play for PPE Gold and it is my understanding he and others were demoted to the Black team after the 2018 season ( when they had black and gold teams ) to make way for out of state players - word is he and others declined the Black placement and moved on. Check out this roster - it is a "who's who" of players let go by PPE in favor of non-local talent, and most are doing just fine away from PPE. https://www.pittsburghpenguinselite.com/roster/show/3381888?subseason=402512 Edited March 22, 2022 by fafa fohi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbin Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Tons of Barons on that list. How does that work logistically for these kids? Billets? Or tons of miles on the family SUV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Handey Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Billet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoboys Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Jack Handey said: Billet. Don't think that is right. Only one was a billet, I think. Rest went up and back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbin Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 3/3/2022 at 10:20 AM, RegDunlop7 said: AAA - North Allegheny AA - Thomas Jefferson A - Norwin D2 - Neshannock 3 out of 4 ain’t bad! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 3/21/2022 at 5:37 PM, Rancho1 said: I think so. Didn't Ringgold beat your beloved Esmark superstars that were playing in this fake division a few years ago? I have no idea what age group you are speaking of or game. Esmark is far from beloved by me - it’s just the only real tier 1 Option in western pa after PPE. looking at this years Greensburg-Salem tournament it appears ringold got hammered by everyone from A & AA that participated in the tournament. Ringold finished winless. Ringold also lost in this tournament to a AA team that went winless during the pihl season! that alone should tell you enough about the level of play as the classifications go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner27 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 3/18/2022 at 9:12 PM, Novos51 said: Ahhh…there it is. Coop hockey sucks guy. Shame we don’t live around a large urban area with lots of hockey. Just an FYI. We beat Cathederal prep in non section games twice and McDowell about a month ago. Want to grow hockey? Quit treating the areas that have to work hard to field teams like second class. I guarantee Canevin, Ringgold, Wilmington and Neshannock would have held their own in Single A. Read my above post about ringold playing in the Greensburg-Salem tournament this year. Sure some of those teams could hold their own against some A teams but they couldn’t compete in AA or AAA. there is massive jump in team speed, skill from d2 to the AA & AAA class. Having 2-3 decent players, or in the case of your team, a good goalie - doesn’t cut it up there. congrats on winning the “d2 championship” - they don’t even call it that penguins cup for that classification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novos51 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Danner27 said: Read my above post about ringold playing in the Greensburg-Salem tournament this year. Sure some of those teams could hold their own against some A teams but they couldn’t compete in AA or AAA. there is massive jump in team speed, skill from d2 to the AA & AAA class. Having 2-3 decent players, or in the case of your team, a good goalie - doesn’t cut it up there. congrats on winning the “d2 championship” - they don’t even call it that penguins cup for that classification. You can bite me. We won what was in front of us. No one said we could compete AA/AAA like in any other sport. Makes you wonder if you want hockey to grow outside of other areas. We took a garbage dump rink that you couldn’t even play Bantam or above because the boards were bad and invested 3 million dollars into it. Added six or so pahl age group teams andtwo varsity/JV/middle school programs. Both of those school teams at least played in the semis in the last few years and Neshannock won back to back. You may now return to peering down your nose at us non-Penguin cup teams that hustle our asses off to have programs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Hockey Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 PENGUIN CUP FINALS AA Thomas Jefferson 6 Franklin Regional 5 UPMC Lemieux Tuesday 22-Mar 6:30 PM OT FLYERS CUP FINALS AA Pennridge Council Rock South Tuesday 22-Mar PENNSYLVANIA CUP FINALS AA W Thomas Jefferson E Pennridge IceLine Saturday 26-Mar 1:30 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJUSHL Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Congratulations to Neshannock. The kids should be proud of their championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyisgreat Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, RJUSHL said: Congratulations to Neshannock. The kids should be proud of their championship. For sure! Started out slow but improved all season and ran the table at the end Won 13 in a row. Started the season 2-6. Awesome coaching job to keep the team together and win back to back championships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyisgreat Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 With some of the PIHL championship games a sellout isn't it time to consider moving them to PPG. Maybe sellout the lower bowl. Would be a great environment for those kids that worked so hard all season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbin Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, hockeyisgreat said: With some of the PIHL championship games a sellout isn't it time to consider moving them to PPG. Maybe sellout the lower bowl. Would be a great environment for those kids that worked so hard all season. Great idea in theory, but I don't see them selling out the lower bowl. The atmosphere of the completely packed house in Cranberry is really cool to see. It was SO loud in there for the Norwin/McDowell game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyisgreat Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, forbin said: Great idea in theory, but I don't see them selling out the lower bowl. The atmosphere of the completely packed house in Cranberry is really cool to see. It was SO loud in there for the Norwin/McDowell game. I'm sure it was great but the game was sold out well in advance! How do we grow the sport if we can't get more spectators? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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